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Re: “Greed seen as the church's top problem — so why isn't Elevation angrier at pastor's excess?

Sigh, if only you could reply directly to comments. DLP, your use of Matthew is so out of context...

1) Giving 10% goes all they way back to Genesis - "Then Jacob made a vow, saying, 'If God will be with me and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat and clothing to wear, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, then the Lord shall be my God, and this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, shall be God's house. And of all that you give me I will give a full tenth to you.' " - Genesis 28: 20-22

2) Jesus came to fulfill the law and never spoke against this in any of the New Testament. Not to mention, the money changers weren't collecting tithes, but extorting pilgrims and the poor with over-priced livestock for the burnt offerings they needed.

3) Tithing is meant to sustain the entire church in all of its financial needs not just the salary of a pastor.

...Now, with all that being said. There is a history of independent, non-denominational churches running into issues for fraud and embezzlement because there is no true accountability structure or transparency. I love watching Elevation online and pray that they can change to a more open financial model. The work they are doing is really amazing and should not be overshadowed by stories like this.

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Posted by Tyler Morrison on 12/12/2013 at 10:54 AM

Re: “Greed seen as the church's top problem — so why isn't Elevation angrier at pastor's excess?

The purpose of giving to the church is not to pay a pastor's salary and fund a pastor's unaudited (unlimited?) budget. Yes, the staff of the church needs to be paid, but the purpose of tithing is to fund the work of the church. And the allocation of those funds -- from paying the electricity bill, to funding community organizations, to helping people who are in distress -- is decided BY the church -- by the members of that congregation, who hold each other accountable. Not solely by a pastor. All is -- and should be -- transparent. I don't understand this cloak-and-dagger approach to Elevation's finances. Churches must avoid even the hint of impropriety -- to avoid creating the appearance of greed and further driving people away. Yes, some things need to remain confidential ie. donors who wish to remain anonymous. But a church's books should be without reproach.

Our pastors need not be paupers. What kind of people would we be if we demanded our ministers and their families live in poverty, and all of the stress and hardship that comes with that? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. But -- Elevation's finances and pastor compensation reeks of excess and inappropriate boundaries, at the very least. It is very concerning and alarming for other churches, that this kind of behavior taints their mission and work.

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Posted by Margaret Petrey Smith on 12/12/2013 at 9:25 AM
Posted by Maria A. Thrasher on 12/12/2013 at 8:45 AM

Re: “Greed seen as the church's top problem — so why isn't Elevation angrier at pastor's excess?

Matthew 21:12

And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves...

Think of that every time your pastor starts reminding you that God wants you to give the pastor 10% of your GROSS income.

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Posted by DLP on 12/11/2013 at 11:21 AM

Re: “Bizarre crimes from Charlotte police files (Nov. 28)

Hey if CMPD doesn't see an opportunity to bust some heads why bother right?

Posted by Sabre70 on 12/08/2013 at 8:25 PM

Re: “Bureaucracy, technology and time have worked against N.C.'s neediest in 2013

I could be a Republican if I wanted to. Life has been good to me. I have adequate resources and very good health insurance. But my conscience just won't allow it. I actually care about people who are less fortunate. I know that some of them are just lazy and chose to be uneducated, but look carefully. Many of the people the Republicans despise are victims of circumstance. Many good jobs have been lost at the hands of politicians who think the answer to every problem is either a big tax break for rich people or a giant check written to a large corporation. Look at the value of homes that are being repossessed. Those are people who used to make decent money before something happened to pull the rug out from under them. Maybe next time it will be you...

Republicans subscribe to the delusion that wealth "trickles down" from the "producers" to the riff raff. Actually, the economy is driven by consumer spending. It flows UP from the people who have money and need a product or service. When consumers have no money, the economy crashes. And then the finger pointing starts, and almost everyone is wrong.

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Posted by DLP on 12/07/2013 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Hidden Valley tries to start anew

Excellent reporting, Ryan!

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Posted by Mark Kemp on 12/01/2013 at 8:53 PM

Re: “Down and Out: Low-income mothers robbed of health care

Let her sign up for Obamacare.

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Posted by Zardoz on 11/29/2013 at 6:52 PM

Re: “Down and Out: Low-income mothers robbed of health care

Exactly what the state legislators intended to do. Remember to vote in more than Presidential years and get rid of them.

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Posted by Floyd Clyne on 11/14/2013 at 8:26 PM

Re: “Expect Pat McCrory vs. Roy Cooper in 2016

I wouldn't rule out State Treasurer Janet Cowell as a contender either!

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Posted by Ken Thompson on 11/10/2013 at 9:41 PM

Re: “Expect Pat McCrory vs. Roy Cooper in 2016

Great article! However, the Democratic bench is much deeper than you let on. Don’t forget North Carolina Insurance Commissioner Wayne Goodwin as "an up-and-coming Democrat" (your words), whom D.G. Martin and other pundits have included on their short list of gubernatorial prospects in 2016 and 2020.

Not only has Goodwin won two statewide elections and served in the legislature, he is a better and more inspirational speaker than many of those you mentioned. Goodwin has also developed a populist, bipartisan appeal and he has a record of saving voters billions of dollars. Goodwin is also a proven, organized candidate.

Insurance Commissioner Goodwin is also a true North Carolina native, not the case among some of the political prospects mentioned by both major political parties in the state these days. Goodwin’s personal story is one that voters can – and will – relate to. Don’t count him out.

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Posted by Sanford H on 11/08/2013 at 11:05 PM

Re: “Expect Pat McCrory vs. Roy Cooper in 2016

Since he's now a candidate for different office I'm sure he can live without the $150K the taxpayers are shelling out for him.

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Posted by Garth Vader on 11/07/2013 at 11:52 AM

Re: “CL goes undercover in a Charlotte 'crisis pregnancy center'

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Posted by Alex Mummy on 11/03/2013 at 5:38 AM

Re: “Dream candidates for Charlotte mayor

To say that Lyles balanced 22 budgets is very misleading. State Law in NC requires every local government to have a balanced budget in place by July 1 of every year. Essentially, you are saying that she did her job.

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Posted by Joe on 10/31/2013 at 9:17 AM

Re: “Southern Blend: A Dating Experiment

I'm said to resemble a black cowboy stud in my Wranglers jeans and other casual or Western duds,so would bosomy white cowgirls be interested in dating this good ol' black Canadian lad,60,with boyish good looks,a muscular build-I'm 5'9",205 lb.,183/4" biceps,though like most older chaps,I'm attempting to shed about 20 lb.-who's trying to become a Country song-writer?

Posted by boyohblackboybitsbrad1953 on 10/30/2013 at 2:59 PM

Re: “Dream candidates for Charlotte mayor

Mark, thanks for pointing that out. The story has been updated.

Posted by Ana McKenzie on 10/30/2013 at 9:40 AM

Re: “Bizarre crimes from Charlotte police files (Oct. 17)

Holy crap, Haaaa!!!
I've never read these article's before , Being I don't normally read Creative Lofting.
but I'm going to start. Haa! So funny,So sad(For the people in the article), So good!
Thanks , Tia

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Posted by greenrainma on 10/29/2013 at 9:21 PM

Re: “Dream candidates for Charlotte mayor

Fact Check Folks, Jennifer Roberts was a Morehead Scholar, not a Morehead-Cain Scholar. The two foundations did not join forces until 2007.

Posted by Mark on 10/29/2013 at 2:49 PM

Re: “Misdemeanor homicide

Maybe u need to learn how to get ur facts straight before you go posting things that aren't correct. That is my grandmother that you are going into such graphic detail about.

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Posted by Liz Belk on 10/25/2013 at 2:11 PM

Re: “Dream candidates for Charlotte mayor

Ana...I'm assuming you were still in school during the debacle that was her tenure in the county commission. She was a divisive do-nothing as a county this a Halloween prank or something?

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Posted by HGL on 10/23/2013 at 8:28 PM

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