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Re: “Republicans Move to Legalize Concealed Carry Without Permit

That's fair, so switch it to Open Streets 704 or any other free, family-friendly event where alcohol is not sold. Although I appreciate you pointing out the gun laws I overlooked, the hypothetical situation is irrelevant, because the point was to make it, as you said, ludicrous and preposterous, as a way to hold a mirror to the type of fear mongering being carried out by gun lobbyists for decades in an effort to make everyone feel like they're unsafe if they're unarmed.

The simple takeaway from this whole bill regardless of whether three states saw declines in homicide rates, which could have been for any number of reasons is that any law enforcement officer will tell you that adding more untrained hands holding guns to a dangerous situation will only make it less safe. The fact is, the CCW permit process was not broken, and making sure folks know how to use their guns is not in any way a harmful practice.

Although I'm sure you disagree with the purposefully ridiculous way I started the story, I did make sure to include folks on both sides of the issue and in between. I appreciate your response.

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Posted by RyanPitkin3 on 06/15/2017 at 10:10 AM

Re: “Republicans Move to Legalize Concealed Carry Without Permit

If Mr. Pitkin is going to spin ludicrous fantasies in an argument about NC gun laws, he really should learn something about NC gun laws first. If you're enjoying a concert at a venue, I'm guessing you paid at the door. NCGS 14-269.3 prohibits carrying a gun into "any assembly where a fee has been charged for admission thereto" -- openly or concealed -- unless one has a concealed handgun permit. H 746 would only extend lawful permitless concealed carry to the extent open carry is already legal, which does not include paid venues. Oh, there are some venues that provide music without a cover charge? In Mr. Pitkin's ridiculous hypothetical, a gunfight started "near the bar." The same statute also prohibits permitless carry in "any establishment in which alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed." So the whole yarn really is as preposterous as it sounds -- it cannot happen under NC law now and it won't happen after H 746 passes.

Thirteen states, home to over 30 million people, now have constitutional (legal permitless) carry, and teenagers who have never fired a gun mowing down innocent bystanders in a rush to join a gunfight has happened precisely zero times. According to FBI data, Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming all experienced a decrease in handgun murders following the passage of their constitutional carry laws. Right here in North Carolina, gun control shills predicted blood in the streets when we first passed the concealed carry law, and every time we have expanded its reach or eased its restrictions. But, to the apparent consternation of those who would love to ban all guns, the people who choose to take responsibility for their own self defense are overwhelmingly a responsible bunch. Unlike Mr. Pitkin, they actually know the laws governing the carry of firearms, and they tend to observe them scrupulously.

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Posted by edgreen on 06/15/2017 at 8:02 AM

Re: “Republicans Move to Legalize Concealed Carry Without Permit

I am personally for this bill but since there seems to be so much concern, maybe a compromise would work. Maybe still eliminate the permit needed to conceal a weapon but keep the training

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Posted by marvin whiting on 06/14/2017 at 7:04 PM

Re: “Republicans Move to Legalize Concealed Carry Without Permit

Mike,

Fair point. I did explain in the article that obtaining a CCW permit would still be a choice for gun owners, but you're right that the use of the word "eliminate" in the original headline was misleading. It has been changed. Thanks for reaching out.

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Posted by RyanPitkin3 on 06/14/2017 at 3:54 PM

Re: “Republicans Move to Legalize Concealed Carry Without Permit

Reporter Ryan Pitkin misleading states that "North Carolina legislators [seek] to eliminate [the] concealed carry permitting process."

Not true. State legislators are leaving in place the option to obtain a North Carolina concealed carry permit, but eliminating the requirement to have the permit to carry concealed handguns in North Carolina.

Persons possessing the North Carolina concealed carry permit will also be able to carry concealed in a number of other states using their North Carolina concealed carry permit, and will be also exempt from federal school zone gun carry restrictions.

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Posted by Mike Stollenwerk on 06/14/2017 at 11:08 AM

Re: “J.C. Cowan

Looking good uncle

Posted by tudie3186 on 06/05/2017 at 5:21 PM

Re: “Charlotte's Most Haunted Places

I am trying to do a book on haunting's .But this is the problem,When I go to do the research on
the information about the ghost.Big problem no one has a name of the ghost or a grave or date or year or month hard to track down information on nothing right now i am looking in to the ghost of founders hall problem no name of the girl that of her family no year no month no date that the body was robbed from the grave.In some books it is said the father came to founders hall
and did a search of the place sad news found no information on who this person was what the fathers name was. People,people,people we need some meat on the bone.

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Posted by Ghost rider on 06/05/2017 at 3:38 AM

Re: “Lesbian bishop Tonyia Rawls founds new church

Has

Posted by LoverofChrist on 06/04/2017 at 5:30 PM

Re: “Justice delayed in Anthony Marcus case

I don't feel sorry for the criminal at all. I think we need to crack down on them all across the board. I feel like it should be harder and scarier to be in jail & prison and there shouldn't be gyms, Tvs, etc. it's like we're rewarding them for committing crimes in the first place. It's like time out for kids I wouldn't punish my kid by giving them cool stuff no they sit in the chair and do nothing so they can reflect. When you infringe on the rights of others you should lose yours. And it seems sometimes like we're more worried about the criminals than the victims. Something to be said about the wild west .... people thought twice before hurting others or taking their things because the risk was losing their life. There was more respect for others and if you were an outlaw it was at your own risk and we weren't forking out millions to house all these losers who don't give a crap and don't want to be s decent citizen. Just my opinion but we'd have less crime and more money for our communities if we didn't Baby the bad guys.

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Posted by Patty Juchem on 05/29/2017 at 12:16 PM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

I have never in my 60 years thought of such a concept as "white or black" brew.
Let's keep race out of beer brewing.

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Posted by Gerald Goldbach on 05/26/2017 at 9:30 PM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

I know Tabu and his wife and they are wonderful people. I never thought about the fact they are African American Brewers. I have only thought of them as fellow brewery owners. When we were in the process of opening our brewery, Tabu was ALWAYS there for us to give us advice and encouragement. As for Mr. McRae's comment that the brewer's alliance is all white- it isn't because anyone who isn't white is not allowed into the alliance. I would say, most if not all of us do not see color. EVERYONE who owns a brewery is welcome. We are not in Charlotte, so we found we had to step our foot through the door and make our presence known. I think that is the case for any new brewery. It has nothing to do with color. What Tabu was talking about when it comes to taste preferences has more to do with culture, not color. My family is from Italy. They really didn't drink beer until coming to the US. And even then, they're introduction to beer was Schlitz and Bud. I get what he is saying. It is not about race. It is about culture and what one is exposed to within that culture. 3 Spirits has some great beer and we are proud to have them as guest taps in our brewery!!

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Posted by Anita Ambrogi Gimon on 05/25/2017 at 7:37 PM

Re: “Cultivating Black Brew Culture Through Hip-Hop

Right, because having and expressing an opinion is the epitome of white privilege. Got it. Sorry I came into your safe space with an idea that you didn't like.

I will at least give you credit as a CL editor for not having simply purged my comments. I have to admit that surprises me, but I am curious if you left them up out of tolerance for another point of view, or to provide a context for what you obviously feel is a very clever response.

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Posted by Too White in CLT on 05/24/2017 at 5:16 PM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

I am a white male but I admit being uncomfortable with generalizations about what kind of beer it is that black people like. When it comes to craft beer, white people have different preferences. Some like IPAs and some hate them, some prefer session beers and some stronger beers, some like stouts and others prefer lagers. Why should it be assumed that all blacks like one flavor profile or characteristic in a beer? Is it not demeaning to characterize an entire race like this? Also, if we want to overcome racial barriers, how would a Black Brewer's Association help with this? In Charlotte, the median income for whites is over $70K per year whereas the median income for blacks is under $40K per year (http://www.law.unc.edu/documents/poverty/publications/charlottepovertyreport_final.pdf). I would expect there to be fewer blacks at craft breweries based on this fact alone, since craft beer is not a necessity and is rather expensive. The comment is interesting about blacks not feeling comfortable in environments where there are not many other blacks. I suppose a lot of blacks live in areas that are predominantly black, but this does surprise me a bit considering that at 13% of the U.S. population, it would seem common for blacks to be in environments where there are not many other blacks. Comparing % white to % black populations in different Charlotte neighborhoods, the Catawba Brewery appears to have a lot of whites and blacks in the area (https://charlottechamber.com/eco-dev/percent-white-population-in-mecklenburg-county/ https://charlottechamber.com/eco-dev/percent-black-or-african-american-in-mecklenburg-county/), plus when new breweries open they may or may not draw many in from the neighborhood but this is probably more dependent on median household income than simply race. As a white male, I do not know what it is like to be a minority, but shouldn't racial and sexual minorities expect that as minorities they will likely be less in number not only at craft breweries but at restaurants and other such establishments?

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Posted by jah777 on 05/24/2017 at 1:32 PM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

Hey y'all need to talk to Kevin Martin former president of Carolina Brewmasters and resident Mead maker at recently opened Good Road Cidery. He definitely could give you some input from a native Charlotean and African American who loves craft beer and has won several awards for his mead.

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Posted by Jimbobway on 05/24/2017 at 1:31 PM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

From his several quotes, I see why I don't get the warm fuzzies at 3Spirits, which I've gone out of my way to visit 3x. Terrell sounds mad condescending. So he just assumes Black folk are ignorant of craft beer, seek the "comfort" and familiarity of malt liquor, and are afraid to try something new? No wonder the crowd at 3S is as homogeneous as it is, Terrell himself notwithstanding.
Whereas the vibe at Black Star events is completely opposite. The owners are warm and welcoming. No matter how long the line is, they explain every step of the process and flavor profile behind what you're drinking--not because they assume you're clueless, but bc that's what people who love what they do, do! And they want to share it.
FOH with your "bridge from the Bud Light, the Miller, the Pabst," dude. I'll stick with Dat Dere.

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Posted by Emiene Wright on 05/24/2017 at 12:30 PM

Re: “Cultivating Black Brew Culture Through Hip-Hop

My reply to your comment under the other story in this series bears repeating:

"Sometimes, 'Too White' (I would say 'too' something else, but I prefer to be too polite for that), it takes a person whose privilege drips from them like sweat from a runner after a massive marathon to prove the point and value of a story. You've done a splendid job! Thank you."

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Posted by Mark Kemp (CL editor) on 05/24/2017 at 11:08 AM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

Sometimes, "Too White" (I would say "too" something else, but I prefer to be too polite for that), it takes a person whose privilege drips from them like sweat from a runner after a massive marathon to prove the point and value of a story. You've done a splendid job! Thank you.

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Posted by Mark Kemp (CL editor) on 05/24/2017 at 11:04 AM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

Sit the fuck down. You sound like the epitome of white privilege. There is no way for you to understand anything about this article unless you live it. So kindly take your bitch ass elsewhere and let someone else be educated on the plight of the black business owner.

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Posted by You'll never get it. on 05/24/2017 at 10:47 AM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

"He makes it a point to welcome people of color as they come through his door and let them know he's there and that he's the owner."

Really? Would it be OK for a white business owner to make a point of welcoming white people as they come through the door?

"white, cisgendered, heterosexual men who have taken up a lot of space in the craft brewing industry"

Is there some kind of limit to this space? Do these people need to be removed from this space in order to make room for you?

Does every goddamned thing in this world have to be about race?

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Posted by Too White in CLT on 05/24/2017 at 8:14 AM

Re: “Cultivating Black Brew Culture Through Hip-Hop

Yeah, I guess if you frame everything in terms of your own racial identity, it must be very hard to be around people who are of a different race. What is that we call white people who feel like that? Oh, yeah, we call them racists.

I have spent a lot of time as a minority in Asia. At some times, yes, I did have to suppress my Caucasian authenticity in order to not be offensive to the majority. There were no signs saying "No Polo", nobody threatened me, etc., but I did get some curious looks now and then depending on where exactly I was -- you know, kind of like the situation you're describing in Charlotte. Once I realized that my discomfort was internally generated and was my problem to deal with, I found it easier to keep my whiteness in check and to accept their genuine but sometimes awkward attempts to try to make me more comfortable, and -- GASP! -- actually become friends with me.

Sometimes, when I was just homesick for my own culture, I would hang out in bars that I knew were frequented by white expatriates, where we could wear cargo shorts with sneakers, drink too much, talk too loud, and air guitar to Thin Lizzy.

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Posted by Too White in CLT on 05/24/2017 at 8:02 AM

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