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Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

I know Tabu and his wife and they are wonderful people. I never thought about the fact they are African American Brewers. I have only thought of them as fellow brewery owners. When we were in the process of opening our brewery, Tabu was ALWAYS there for us to give us advice and encouragement. As for Mr. McRae's comment that the brewer's alliance is all white- it isn't because anyone who isn't white is not allowed into the alliance. I would say, most if not all of us do not see color. EVERYONE who owns a brewery is welcome. We are not in Charlotte, so we found we had to step our foot through the door and make our presence known. I think that is the case for any new brewery. It has nothing to do with color. What Tabu was talking about when it comes to taste preferences has more to do with culture, not color. My family is from Italy. They really didn't drink beer until coming to the US. And even then, they're introduction to beer was Schlitz and Bud. I get what he is saying. It is not about race. It is about culture and what one is exposed to within that culture. 3 Spirits has some great beer and we are proud to have them as guest taps in our brewery!!

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Posted by Anita Ambrogi Gimon on 05/25/2017 at 7:37 PM

Re: “Cultivating Black Brew Culture Through Hip-Hop

Right, because having and expressing an opinion is the epitome of white privilege. Got it. Sorry I came into your safe space with an idea that you didn't like.

I will at least give you credit as a CL editor for not having simply purged my comments. I have to admit that surprises me, but I am curious if you left them up out of tolerance for another point of view, or to provide a context for what you obviously feel is a very clever response.

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Posted by Too White in CLT on 05/24/2017 at 5:16 PM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

I am a white male but I admit being uncomfortable with generalizations about what kind of beer it is that black people like. When it comes to craft beer, white people have different preferences. Some like IPAs and some hate them, some prefer session beers and some stronger beers, some like stouts and others prefer lagers. Why should it be assumed that all blacks like one flavor profile or characteristic in a beer? Is it not demeaning to characterize an entire race like this? Also, if we want to overcome racial barriers, how would a Black Brewer's Association help with this? In Charlotte, the median income for whites is over $70K per year whereas the median income for blacks is under $40K per year (http://www.law.unc.edu/documents/poverty/publications/charlottepovertyreport_final.pdf). I would expect there to be fewer blacks at craft breweries based on this fact alone, since craft beer is not a necessity and is rather expensive. The comment is interesting about blacks not feeling comfortable in environments where there are not many other blacks. I suppose a lot of blacks live in areas that are predominantly black, but this does surprise me a bit considering that at 13% of the U.S. population, it would seem common for blacks to be in environments where there are not many other blacks. Comparing % white to % black populations in different Charlotte neighborhoods, the Catawba Brewery appears to have a lot of whites and blacks in the area (https://charlottechamber.com/eco-dev/percent-white-population-in-mecklenburg-county/ https://charlottechamber.com/eco-dev/percent-black-or-african-american-in-mecklenburg-county/), plus when new breweries open they may or may not draw many in from the neighborhood but this is probably more dependent on median household income than simply race. As a white male, I do not know what it is like to be a minority, but shouldn't racial and sexual minorities expect that as minorities they will likely be less in number not only at craft breweries but at restaurants and other such establishments?

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Posted by jah777 on 05/24/2017 at 1:32 PM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

Hey y'all need to talk to Kevin Martin former president of Carolina Brewmasters and resident Mead maker at recently opened Good Road Cidery. He definitely could give you some input from a native Charlotean and African American who loves craft beer and has won several awards for his mead.

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Posted by Jimbobway on 05/24/2017 at 1:31 PM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

From his several quotes, I see why I don't get the warm fuzzies at 3Spirits, which I've gone out of my way to visit 3x. Terrell sounds mad condescending. So he just assumes Black folk are ignorant of craft beer, seek the "comfort" and familiarity of malt liquor, and are afraid to try something new? No wonder the crowd at 3S is as homogeneous as it is, Terrell himself notwithstanding.
Whereas the vibe at Black Star events is completely opposite. The owners are warm and welcoming. No matter how long the line is, they explain every step of the process and flavor profile behind what you're drinking--not because they assume you're clueless, but bc that's what people who love what they do, do! And they want to share it.
FOH with your "bridge from the Bud Light, the Miller, the Pabst," dude. I'll stick with Dat Dere.

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Posted by Emiene Wright on 05/24/2017 at 12:30 PM

Re: “Cultivating Black Brew Culture Through Hip-Hop

My reply to your comment under the other story in this series bears repeating:

"Sometimes, 'Too White' (I would say 'too' something else, but I prefer to be too polite for that), it takes a person whose privilege drips from them like sweat from a runner after a massive marathon to prove the point and value of a story. You've done a splendid job! Thank you."

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Posted by Mark Kemp (CL editor) on 05/24/2017 at 11:08 AM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

Sometimes, "Too White" (I would say "too" something else, but I prefer to be too polite for that), it takes a person whose privilege drips from them like sweat from a runner after a massive marathon to prove the point and value of a story. You've done a splendid job! Thank you.

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Posted by Mark Kemp (CL editor) on 05/24/2017 at 11:04 AM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

Sit the fuck down. You sound like the epitome of white privilege. There is no way for you to understand anything about this article unless you live it. So kindly take your bitch ass elsewhere and let someone else be educated on the plight of the black business owner.

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Posted by You'll never get it. on 05/24/2017 at 10:47 AM

Re: “Local Brewers Defy the Lily-White Craft Beer Scene

"He makes it a point to welcome people of color as they come through his door and let them know he's there and that he's the owner."

Really? Would it be OK for a white business owner to make a point of welcoming white people as they come through the door?

"white, cisgendered, heterosexual men who have taken up a lot of space in the craft brewing industry"

Is there some kind of limit to this space? Do these people need to be removed from this space in order to make room for you?

Does every goddamned thing in this world have to be about race?

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Posted by Too White in CLT on 05/24/2017 at 8:14 AM

Re: “Cultivating Black Brew Culture Through Hip-Hop

Yeah, I guess if you frame everything in terms of your own racial identity, it must be very hard to be around people who are of a different race. What is that we call white people who feel like that? Oh, yeah, we call them racists.

I have spent a lot of time as a minority in Asia. At some times, yes, I did have to suppress my Caucasian authenticity in order to not be offensive to the majority. There were no signs saying "No Polo", nobody threatened me, etc., but I did get some curious looks now and then depending on where exactly I was -- you know, kind of like the situation you're describing in Charlotte. Once I realized that my discomfort was internally generated and was my problem to deal with, I found it easier to keep my whiteness in check and to accept their genuine but sometimes awkward attempts to try to make me more comfortable, and -- GASP! -- actually become friends with me.

Sometimes, when I was just homesick for my own culture, I would hang out in bars that I knew were frequented by white expatriates, where we could wear cargo shorts with sneakers, drink too much, talk too loud, and air guitar to Thin Lizzy.

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Posted by Too White in CLT on 05/24/2017 at 8:02 AM

Re: “Varian Shrum Helps Transform a Little-Known Site Called CAMP North End

As a native of Charlotte, I figured out where this was. Funny how nowhere in the article do you all indicate the location of the project.

Posted by Owen Butler on 05/18/2017 at 2:17 PM

Re: “Jessica Heinz grassroots support foundation gains traction

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Posted by Campar Tiffany on 05/17/2017 at 3:30 PM

Re: “Signs of Life in Gastonia

I live on the South side and there is a endless stream of riff-raff 24/7 coming in & out of the MH park to buy what is sold there. I see the same vehicles come & go...157 of them in a 4hr time period on a Saturday Easter weekend. There arent 30 mobile homes back in there, so what else do I surmise is going on...drugs until proven otherwise. On a rare night, they stop from 3am to 6am, but I have to sleep with a sound conditioner on because they mostly have no mufflers on their vehicles and play the music loudly even at 3am. Now that I hear who the Captain is I will be calling him.

Posted by cantsleep on 05/16/2017 at 4:07 PM

Re: “Local Organizers Join Nationwide Effort to Post Bail for Black Mothers on Mother's Day

Hey Emiene, I just added a sentence to the 24th graf -- beginning "Black Mamas Bail Out organizers will offer help connecting..." -- to help clarify that. Long story short, the canvassing efforts in Section 8 housing will be an attempt to find families who are missing mothers due to incarceration.

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Posted by RyanPitkin3 on 05/05/2017 at 11:52 AM

Re: “Local Organizers Join Nationwide Effort to Post Bail for Black Mothers on Mother's Day

How are the women chosen who will be bailed out?

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Posted by Emiene Wright on 05/03/2017 at 6:54 PM

Re: “American Indian Party Chair Fights for Indigenous Rights

It's great to see Creative Loafing help raise awareness about the issues impacting Charlotte's Indigenous community. They are so often overlooked and forgotten about by most of the general public. Keep it up!

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Posted by William Flowers on 05/03/2017 at 1:08 PM

Re: “American Indian Party Chair Fights for Indigenous Rights

Wonderful interview. Thank you so much to Ryan for covering these issues and thank you to Robert for making your voice heard.

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Posted by Toni Henderson-Coluccio on 05/01/2017 at 7:22 PM

Re: “Danica Patrick hasn't received the same patience afforded to other NASCAR drivers entering the sport

Danica,se Wendell Scott (only African American NASCAR driver) next time you complain.He raced when blacks were still being lynched,was threatened with bodily harm by his racist competitors,couldn't eat at the racetracks,having to go to the black parts of towns in which he raced,was NEVER sponsored by racist companies,not even being given tires,leading to his perpetual underfunding,and when he won the Turkey Day 200 at Jacksonville Dec.1,1963,Buck Baker,the runnerup,was announced the winner so Scott would not kiss the buxom blonde queen;
Scott was declared the winner next day,but was not given the trophy-or at least his family wasn't awarded the trophy;Scott died in 1990-until 2010FORTY-SEVEN YEARS AFTER THE VICTORY.A bit of perspective for you other posters.

Posted by handsomeblackcowboybrady1953 on 04/27/2017 at 11:02 AM

Re: “Danica Patrick hasn't received the same patience afforded to other NASCAR drivers entering the sport

Scott,is Derrike Cope an attractive woman?(He's an ugly old dude.) Still,Patrick,whom I picked to win a race in 2017,will have to improve immeasurably or her ride may disappear by 2018.

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Posted by handsomeblackcowboybrady1953 on 04/27/2017 at 10:53 AM

Re: “Danica Patrick hasn't received the same patience afforded to other NASCAR drivers entering the sport

Why is Patrick getting such flack when nobody cares that Derrike Cope,who hasn't won a race since the NINETEEN-NINETY (the week my father died,incidentally) Daytona 500 is allowed to take a valuable ride from another prospective driver?(Darrell Wallace,for example.)
Speaking of bigotry,JUST WAIT until an African American NASCAR driver (the second in its nearly 70-year history) comes.I'll bet,if (s)he wins a race,they'll have to leave the racetrack under police protection after the necks threaten him or her with lynching,and some of those Bubba drivers will do their utmost to wreck him or her,even costing themselves a victory.
NASCAR fans have changed VERY LITTLE in terms of acceptance of "the other" since its 1949 inception.

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Posted by handsomeblackcowboybrady1953 on 04/27/2017 at 10:50 AM

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