Twenty years ago, MxPx emerged with an infectious attack that helped cement the reputation of a particularly divisive sub-genre — Christian punk. Positive and punchy, the trio of Washington state high schoolers created easily digestible pop-punk earworms that rarely made preaching points of the band’s religious ideals but avoided any language or themes that would offend fellow believers. MxPx’s success helped pave the way for more overtly religious bands like Relient K and Anberlin. But times change, and these days singer and songwriter Mike Herrera finds himself in a much different place from that of the teenager who applied his spirituality to music.

“The reason that I was writing the songs that I was writing was because I grew up going to church,” Herrera says, groggy but engaged. It’s 3:30 a.m. in Indonesia, where the frontman has just led his MxPx All Stars through a gig on their current world tour. It stops at The Milestone on Oct. 31. A rotating supergroup — the “All Stars” — supports Herrera when his regular bandmates, Yuri Ruley and Tom Wisniewski, cannot.

“My family went to church. I had to go to youth group,” he continues. “As you grow older, everybody’s different. I don’t make that a daily part of my life. It’s not a big deal, really. It’s like that for most people that grow up going to church. I know so many people, fans and friends in the punk industry, that used to go to church when they were kids. There’s a ton of us out there, a lot of artists and journalists and music journalists as well. It’s funny. We’ve all had this weird, American Christianity background. And we all go through the same weird experiences from that.”

This year, MxPx is celebrating two decades of non-confrontational punk. For Herrera, it’s been difficult to continue writing honestly positive songs when his beliefs have changed. At 35, he’s no longer a church-going man, and while he won’t comment directly on his current political and religious views, he speaks of his musical perspective becoming more “sophisticated,” making room for multiple points of view — not just the rigid Christian background that defined his band’s early work.

“I’m not only writing for myself. I’m writing for the audience,” Herrera says. “There’s a certain amount of honesty that I think some of the younger kids would not be too interested in or stoked about. I’m so different now than when I was writing songs at the beginning of my career — completely different, in fact. In public life, people don’t see us as growing up. They don’t see us as changing our views and our ideas about the world and what we believe and what we don’t believe and what we think politically. Things are always changing. It’s always fluid. It’s never exactly the same from album to album to album.”

The contrast between Herrera’s current outlook and his band’s positive energy is captured on Plans Within Plans, the ninth MxPx LP, released earlier this year. The album still occupies the same easily accessible pop-punk structures, but the approach is more aggressive. Pace is pushed to the breaking point. The distortion is rougher. Herrera sings with a road-worn growl.

The biggest difference is in Herrera’s lyrics, barbed progressions that hint at grown-up frustrations and secular confusion. “With the conflict on the outside and the fear within/ It’s hard to find the courage to begin again,” he cries on “In the Past,” the lyrics undercut by nervy guitar prickles and pounding drums. “I’m one of the downcast, and I don’t want this to last,” he goes on before his band mates join him on the shouted chorus: “It’s in the past!”

MxPx has always sounded anxious, but on Plans Within Plans the tone is more desperate. Herrera’s foundation of religious simplicity has eroded, allowing doubt to complicate his writing. The resulting songs are some of the most exciting in all of the band’s expansive catalog.

Herrera has never been one to preach through music. He didn’t do it as a devout teenager, and he doesn’t do it now as a conflicted adult. When judging his musical peers, he holds them to the same standard.

“If it’s good songs, it’s good songs,” he says. “I try to be positive and inclusive of everyone. A band like Anberlin, they’re a really great band. They sound amazing. They write great songs. But also a band like The Swellers, who are atheists. They’re both great bands.

“I don’t really think of music as one way or the other,” Herrera adds. “Although I lean away from the spiritual Christian stuff, way away from it, in fact. To me, it’s just insincere and annoying.”

Jordan Lawrence is the Music Editor for Shuffle Magazine, a North Carolina-based quarterly that covers independent music in both Carolinas. He is also a frequent contributor to Durham's Independent Weekly,...

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  1. Very familiar story … kids grow up in a Christian environment, they don’t have a personal relationship with Jesus and they walk away from the culture as they “mature.” Going to a church and having Christian parents does not replace the need for an individual’s own personal encounter with Jesus.

  2. Mark, where in the Bible does it teach that we need to have a “personal encounter” with Jesus? What does that look like? How do you know that your personal encounter was real and not just in your head?

  3. A personal encounter… not necessarily that you see Jesus in person, but that the Holy Spirit absolutely convinces you that Jesus is real, you are a sinner, and Jesus died for your sins and rose again; and you in your heart truly confess and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. When the Holy Spirit comes to love inside of you, that is when you have truly become a Christian. And regardless of people’s doubts or objections, Jesus is capable of convincing someone of who He is. Are you willing to let Him?

  4. A quote from Jesus:

    Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

    I couldn’t if even of I wanted to, because I love my family.

  5. That scripture about hating your family in no means you abandon and abhor them; jesus spoke in parables and metaphorically, and the deeper meaning here is that jesus wants to be most important (number 1) in your life. Once you find him, all other relationships fail in comparison.

  6. Please, Mark. Don’t pretend you know Mike and his heart. You have no substantial ready to believe he was never a “true Christian”, so maybe it’d be better to just accept that he has matured and changed his mind.

  7. It’s interesting that some people grow up without knowing much about God and then they have an encounter with God and it changes their life radically and then there are kids that grow up in church and one day they decide to walk away maybe gradually. Something g interesting to think about

  8. Not surprised that he was a fake Christian. So many fakes in the world. Wheat and tares as Jesus said. Some are authentic and others are not. Its all about taking up the cross and following Jesus. Far too many succumb to the world of self instead of self denial and following Jesus.

  9. James, how do you know that they are “fake” Christians? I know several people who grew up in church and “asked” Jesus to come into their heart. Now, they have a larger perspective on life and many are now atheist or agnostic.

    Questioning things that are told to you at a young age because you now have more information does not mean anything was “fake” at the time the person said it. They (perhaps naively) believed something that they no longer believe in the face of life experience and more information.

  10. John,

    The no true Scott’s man fallacy is one that is so ingrained in christians that they will argue that it’s not even a fallacy when they say it. It’s their way of avoiding the problem of non belief and divine hiddeness.

    Christians can’t accept that someone can leave the faith because of course “that’s what the bibe says!” It’s hard to have something so fundamental to your reality just disappear but when it does its the most freeing feeling. evangelical Christianity has become such a strong feedback loop that it’s very difficult for people like James to escape. It’s sad really.

  11. yeah smug, intellectually bankrupt rhetoric like this was one thing I was glad to be free of when I left the church.

  12. I feel like at this point you should start a new band, if your a completely different person from who you where at the start of your creative project than you should create something else that reflects your newer version better, while refraing from leading others astray.

  13. Frustrating. You see bands like jars of clay and five iron frenzy (two atheist in the group) who have left their faith…. But these Bands got there because of the Christian scene. They can’t compete without it. They just used the Christian teen scene and blew up. When they leave they are nothing. You don’t hear them in movies or on the radio or in the top 100 ever. Nope. They aren’t good enough to compete. The Christian scene loved and embraced them and they did nothing more than just use it. They were solid to begin with, just fame hungry.

  14. Someone who says they’re not a church-going man doesn’t mean he was never saved in respond to user “Matthew 24”. I experienced what Mike went through. I just recently came back after 13 years. It appears that some people on this thread don’t understand God’s love and grace.

    A Christian is redeemed. The word redeemed refers to a purchase being made, a price being paid. We were purchased at the cost of Christ’s death. For a Christian to lose salvation, God Himself would have to revoke His purchase of the individual for whom He paid with the precious blood of Christ.

    A Christian is promised eternal life. For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be redefined. The Christian is promised to live forever. Does eternal not mean “eternal”?

    For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to erase the mark, withdraw the Spirit, cancel the deposit, break His promise, revoke the guarantee, keep the inheritance, forego the praise, and lessen His glory.

    Understand and experience God’s grace than just knowing the word’s definition, then you won’t be so judgmental and legalistic. God isn’t done with us yet.

  15. I mean just listen to yourself when you say nonsensical things like someone’s death has “purchased” other people’s lives. Is that any way for a grown-up to talk? I think not.

    Glad Mike grew up. He always seemed too intelligent and thoughtful to be chained to a fairy tale forever.

  16. Why is it nonsensical? Please explain to me why it is so nonsensical that someone couldn’t die in place of another? And please help me understand why that’s not grown up talk?

  17. It really sucks. The article states that he didn’t preach when he was a teenager, but that simply isn’t true. Pokinatcha was very straightforward Christian album. As a teenager growing up listening to mxpx in the 90s, I was heavily inspired by the way a band like that could walk the fine line between not being legalistic and still being Christian. It’s a total bummer that he’s moved past his faith, as that is something that’s going to catch up with him in the end unfortunately. Also, he has such a high influence with the youth and most of what I’ve heard from him in interviews, on stage, and on his radio show isn’t even middle-ground secularism, but sometimes very vulgar. I’m not trying to judge, but it’s an absolute shame that he has so much potential to positively influence a younger audience and can’t do anything with it. I honestly feel like he should retire mxpx and start something new. The band was formed and marketed end brought through the ranks of the Christian music Market – if the band is no longer reflecting any of that, the sensible thing to do would be to put it to rest.

  18. I started listening to MxPx in 1993 and they were my favorite band until I found Switchfoot a few years and then they were my second favorite band. From what I recall, even back then people were tearing them down and calling them sellouts and not real Christians, so it’s not like they were setting themselves up as a band whose main goal was to make little punk rock disciples. They just made great punk rock that I loved and still love. I’m a very devout Christian, grew up in church, still go to church, and then and now MxPx didn’t determine my faith in Christ. if anything, hearing all the talk about whether or not they were “really” Christian, while listening and moshing to their music, gave me freedom to examine my own faith, make it my own and not one based on someone else’s life. Artists express themselves, if they are true artists, and don’t just put up an accepted message as a front, whether it’s punk rock, painting, or pottery. His personal search for truth is his own, and he has no responsibility to do more than express that honestly through his music. And make great punk rock, of course.

  19. I don’t think we should be personally attacking Mike here. It is easy for church to be a routine that means nothing, It’s good to think about what you’re doing and what it means to you. Christian lyrics can be insincere and forced; It’s easy to tell the difference between something inspired and something that isn’t. When you’ve been told how to think for so long It’s easy to walk off and try something else that might be the complete opposite. But that doesn’t mean that you can’t come back to the pure desire of wanting to feel God’s presence again and realize your life hasn’t taken you anywhere better. There is nothing wrong with questioning. I know I have no one to judge.

  20. I seen mxpx in Glasgow around 2006, it was the best gig I was ever at. It’s a shame that Mike has abandoned the faith of his youth but it isn’t surprising but indeed expected according to scripture.

  21. What I’d like to know is whether Tom and Turn share Mike’s new outlook of it they remain committed believers. Mike needs prayer, not condemnation, even if he thinks he’s outgrown it.

  22. I think you guys are jumping to conclusions a bit.I was raised Catholic but I got older and saw more of the world. I believe in God, I believe in being a good person but as an adult I believe it’s pretty cocky to think that one particular religion is right and another is wrong. As an adult I’ve come to the conclusion that God or a higher power is real that that higher power wants you to be a good person and do the right thing and be kind and loving to other people, but that religion itself is a cultural thing. A way for different cultures to explain that higher power in a way that makes sense within their culture. and if I’m wrong I think God would be cool with that, because God is not a petty jerk. He’s not banishing people to hell because they grow up in a different country, or different religion with different beliefs, as long as you’re a good person I think that God is cool with you.

  23. Kinda like Pete Stewart, the lead singer of Grammatrain who is now an atheist and left Christianity behind. A lot of Christian bands I grew up listening to when I was younger are now no longer Christian and have become atheist or agnostic. It is sad really. I understand people change as they get older, but I do not understand someone walking away from Christianity. I am curious to know why some people walk away while others hold on to the faith. Did something so bad happen in their life that they just gave up on God all together? I am not saying that when they were making Christian music that it was not sincere, I just do not understand why someone who has been a long time Christian would give up on God. As an adult, people should and have the right to follow their own path and find their own way of living, because God does not force Himself on anyone. We all have a choice. I pray that those who have turned away will come back to God before it is too late.

  24. Comment section full of church bigots winning people for the Lord. Judge not. Typical.

  25. I think it is hard today to publicly announce your faith without being ridiculed to the point that you doubt everything. That’s Satan at work. I will forever be grateful for MxPx’s Christian music as it showed such strength and I was so impressed at the courage it took to release such songs. Those songs helped me through some really hard times when my mom died at 22 years old, leaving me with only an abusive father and two pre-teen sisters to raise. My faith faltered at that time and bands like these helped me get it back. The songs are there, will always be and as the band members change (like we all do) , we should all support our brothers and sisters through those changes. Maybe if we all adopted that same non-judgemental attitude, the “christian” name wouldn’t have such a bad rap,allowing evil a gateway in. Thanks for being awesome MxPx! Praying for all good things for you guys. We are all on our own path with God. No one else’s business, either;)

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